Jim Fetzer and Steve De’ak – a friendly rebuttal regarding JIm’s video “911: Who was Responsible and Why?”
The above video is in response to this video from Jim Fetzer:
The below are the notes I took when watching his video:
2:20 – Shanksville gash was close to 120 feet in length, but the central crater was about 30 feet around and 15 feet deep. I
3:40 – it was a backfilled strip mine, not a mine shaft, but either way it was rocky backfill that was not the soft ground that the official story claims closed behind it like a tomb.
8:00 – Okay, so if it wasn’t a plane, how was the Shanksville crater made?
13:15 – cruise missiles use jet propulsion, not solid fuel. Perhaps the government released doctored photos.
15:00 Agree- the damage wasn’t impressive enough so they collapsed the roof.
22:00 – I don’t see the vine.
26:44 – I don’t know of any single missile that can cause the damage to the pentagon. The damage to the façade is consistent with a bomb, or perhaps a cruise missile detonation or two. Secondary explosives were used to demolish the roof and a large Rapid Wall Breaching kit for the punch out hole. This means all the internal damage had to have been caused by secondary explosives, which like the World Trade Center couldn’t have been done without the tenants being aware of what was going on. To give the inevitable curious truth seeker something to research the government plants the story that the West Wing was filled with accountants, but that story can’t be verified without going to the government.
28:43 – I thought it had only been remodeled, not reinforced. The Pentagon is basically an office building. The story of the accounts and the missing trillions only reinforce the conclusion that the “good guys” were whacked, which in turn reinforces the belief that there ARE some good guys out there. As stated before though, consider the source, and consider the damage evidence that indicates secondary explosives that could only have been ordered from the top of the chain of command. The reason a missile sounds good is because the only other option means Pentagon involvement, well if the shoe fits.
29:09 – Rumsfeld budget had been reported on for more than a year before Rumsfeld’s comments. The Pentagon regularly loses money in the trillions of dollars but in this case it was due to incompatibilities between systems, if you can believe what they say. It sounds to me like they were planting seeds that were intended lead us down conspiracy lane. Consider the source. The list of alleged victims comes from the most likely suspects who were salting the well with stories like the missing trillions, which by the way the Pentagon now claims has been mostly accounted for. Again – a single missile could not be responsible for the damage to the façade, to the interior columns, and to the roof.
30:00 – Pentagon – it was a fabricated special effect, sure, but I think it was more than just a dumpster fire.
33:12 – Agreed, the government has fabricated stories, just like with Oswald.
42:00 – Only about half or less of tower one had asbestos. They switched mid-construction.
47:22 – I don’t buy the stories that Silverstein had breakfast there. The truss straps, remember the truss straps.
58:15 – Gelatin did NOT have the run of both towers, they only allegedly had the run of the 91st floor, they rented a helicopter and took photos of one guy standing outside a window for which they had built a “balcony” for him to stand on. Their performance art sounds more like a reconnaissance mission disguised as a propaganda stunt. Notice the rest of the building, notice details such as the heaters beneath the windows. These guys were deployed to an empty floor for a photo op. But IF they did have access to the whole building then they MUST have had help from the 42 Port Authority Police that were stationed at the WTC at the time – they were allegedly there in June, 2000. If they planted explosives they did it with the blessing of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.
58:48 – yes the truck bomb WAS being widely reported at the time. It was also later retracted, albeit that was maybe not as widely reported at the time:
QUESTION: Mayor, do you know anything about the report about the possible resources that they found in New Jersey?
GIULIANI: Yes. I think the Police Commissioner was able to get information about that.
BERNARD KERIK, NEW YORK CITY POLICE COMMISSIONER: I just got a confirmation from the Chief of Detectives, he’s reach out to the FBI. They have confirmed that someone has been stopped in New Jersey, three men in a van. However, there was no explosives in the van. All right. They’re being held for questioning.
QUESTION: Where in New Jersey, do you know?
KERIK: I can’t say yet.
QUESTION: Why were they stopped and why do you think they’re connected with this?
GIULIANI: We can’t tell at this point. It’s between the FBI and the Port Authority. We just got the confirmation by phone after I left the last briefing.
QUESTION: Were they on the George Washington Bridge as they were heading to New Jersey?
GIULIANI: No, they weren’t.
QUESTION: Were they in the Meadow Land?
QUESTION: There were rumors that there were explosives, where did those rumors come from or why did that begin to circulate?
KERIK: I can’t tell you.
QUESTION: Were they in the Meadow Land, Police Commissioner?
KERIK: Excuse me?
QUESTION: Were they in the Meadow Land?
KERIK: It’s my understanding, but I — we haven’t confirmed that.
QUESTION: Do we know why they were stopped?
KERIK: Not yet.
59:00 – Most if not all of the reports listed come from the most likely suspects, such as the authorities.
1:00 – the Mural Van is likely just the result of a too many people repeating the story of the truckload of explosives – it’s only source:
The only official account of the Mural Van is in the Mineta Transportation Institute’s “Saving City Lifelines: Lessons Learned in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks” document http://transweb.sjsu.edu/mtiportal/research/publications/documents/Sept11.book.htm which says:
“A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”
1:01 – Israel is just another British Colony just like the USA, and they are doing to their indigenous population exactly what the USA has been doing for the last 500 years. However horrible Israel is, the USA is worse, but there’s no way the USA and Israel were the only players in 9/11. Clearly ALL the world’s nations were involved, especially the enemy nations. Surely the North Korean, Chinese, Iranian, Iraqi, and Russian critical thinkers, leaders and military minds know mostly hollow aluminum jets can’t fly through steel, bore through concrete buildings and burrow into the ground in the real world. The very nations that could blow the whistle (and allegedly have every reason to do so) do not. There is obviously global collusion at play and we are deliberately given the “Israeli breadcrumbs” because one of the goals is and always has been to control the opposition. and what better way to marginalize a peace movement than to make them out to be bigots. Here in the West we are indoctrinated from birth to equate criticism of Israel with “Anti-Semites,” whatever that is, so whether or not the breadcrumbs are deliberately planted the result is still the same – a turned-off public to the AntiSemtic Truth movement. The CIA is expert at setting up patsies after all but the evidence I’ve seen leads a lot closer to home than some shitty little British Colony in the Middle East. All the world is a stage, apparently.
1:10 – Gelatin was there in 2000, and only on the 91st floor of the North Tower
1:10 – Even small holograms can’t be broadcast in broad daylight, but the image you’re showing is from our interview, Jim, and that’s the Herzarkhani footage frame by frame. In our interview I mentioned these 15 frames from that footage which prove Herzarkhani was using a tripod or dolly for the shot. This is significant because he allegedly captured that footage using a handheld camera from the deck of a tour boat which would be nearly impossible to doctor, but footage captured from a dolly on dry land is a piece of cake to doctor, and he had one. He was a professional grip on a dolly or tripod pretending to be an amateur on a boat. This is a critical bit of evidence that is the death-knell for the hologram theory because it proves an intent to deceive, which would not be necessary if he was just an amateur on a boat who happened to capture a hologram in action. And if he was just an amateur on a tripod who happened to capture a hologram in action then why lie about the boat?
1:11 – witnesses – actually, Holmgren had this sorted. Until the second strike the vast majority of the first witnesses reported anything BUT a large jet – some said missiles some said bombs, some said small planes but only a CNN exec said a large plane, still inconsistent with the hologram theory.
And then there are the Woolworth building witnesses:
The Woolworth building is one of the tallest buildings close to where the WTC towers were. It is just Northeast of where the towers were.
The Untold Story of the Woolworth Building Incidents on 9-11-01
“Someone had fired missiles at the World Trade Center’s north tower from atop the nearby Woolworth Building.”
“…we just had a second explosion, possibly a missile from the roof of the Woolworth Building.”
Port Authority Police Officer
“They’re shooting at the Trade Center from the Woolworth Building.”
NY Daily News
“The first one they think was a guy shooting the missiles off the Woolworth Building.”
WTC Police Channel 07
“Woolworth Building! They’re firing missiles from Woolworth Building!”
“…there was a missile launch at the Woolworth building.”
Police Officer, 09:18AM
“…the police had a report that a missile had been fired at the World Trade Center from the Woolworth building.”
Alan Reiss, WTC Police Desk
9-11 Commission Hearing
” There was a ‘swooshing’ sound, then an explosion, and it sounded really low. It was if someone, one or two floors above me, had launched a shoulder-fired missile.”
Lance Cpl. Alan Reifenberg
Marine Corps News
As we pulled ‘round the corner, we stopped the rig, and a cop walked over to us and said, `I saw them shoot a missile launcher off that building, you guys better be careful up there.’
1:11 – the left wing is not visible because it is a video layer of a plane intersecting the image of a building. One layer overlaps the other and the wing disappears. We should do another show and I can demonstrate it for you.
1:17 – How do you know the report you’re referring to isn’t the actual psychological operation?
1:20 – William Rodriguez’ story doesn’t hold any water and his background is as a Magicians Assistant for the notorious debunker James Randi who we can thank for the James Randi Educational Foundation, or JREF, now known as the “International Skeptics.” Another glimpse into the depth and breadth of the con- they actually hired con-artists to play both sides of the conflict. Research his story – it’ll make you go “hmm….”
1:30 – Remember the straps? How could nukes have vaporized the i-beams but not vaporize the straps?
1:35 – these stories were to explain-away the dismantling activity. Of course Ace Elevator wanted their elevators back.
1:41 – The nuclear elements and the reports of cancer cases were provided by the most likely suspects. More breadcrumbs – remember the straps.
1:48 – again, 9/11 was much bigger than just the USA and Israel.
I have had a complaint from a viewer that the Courchesne footage was released in 2001, not years afterwards as I state at 42:40 in my video. This is significant because Naudet obviously was in contact with Courchesne in the 7 months between September 11, 2001 and March 12, 2002 when The Naudet video, “9/11” was released. They even list Courchesne in the credits.
So for the people who don’t own the video, and honestly truthers you should own the video, here’s a frame from Courchesne’s footage on Naudet’s “9/11” that was not released to the public until after it was released on the Naudet video. Yes, they knew each other.
And here’s from early in the Courchesne footage, at the 1:17 mark (not released until AFTER the Naudet video.) Naudet’s quality is even better: