Feedback from the Truth Movement
From Morgan Reynolds:
Hello Steve:
Count me in on your “Mythbusters” call to accelerate a 767 outer wing or similar aluminum wing at 400+ knots into a fixed steel “wheatchex” similar to the WTC wheatchex panels. Unless Sir Isaac Newton was terribly wrong about his laws of motion, the aluminum wing will shatter and steel structure remain unmolested. “…on the human or engineering scale, where velocities are small compared with the speed of light, Newton’s mechanics has yet to be disproved.” Vector Mechanics for Engineers: Statics, 7th edition, F.P. Beer, et. al., p. 5.
Has any other “9/11 name” endorsed your call for this experiment?
Also, September Clues “everything is fake” is absurd. As I’ve said on my blog, he is in the evidence destruction biz.
Morgan R.
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Steve De’ak wrote:
Name: Steve De’ak
Email:
Comment: Greetings,
I was once an early member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. I am reaching out to any and all Truthers for assistance.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to be in this 9/11 Truth game for the rest of my life, so I think it’s time we proved for once and for all what really happened.
The New Mexico Tech Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center has a rocket-sled test facility which has been used for such fluff as the “Mythbusters” T.V. show. I would like to pressure NM Tech to allow a unified group of Truthers to conduct a test similar to the one posted on my blog here:
I am in the process of launching a website for this endeavor at www.911crashtest.org and for funding I’d like to use the Kickstarter program:
I have tried to reach NM Tech but they will not answer my calls or my emails, however they were very keen to investigate me. They also wasted no time in blocking the embedding of the you-tube video.
This is a no-lose situation for the Truth movement. The test facility, being a training ground for the military, will in all likelihood decline this test request which will be a victory in itself. If they would allow Mythbusters to slice a car in half, why wouldn’t they allow a test which could help end some wars?
If a plane wing can be proved to slice through steel columns, then all the no-planers can go home, but if a plane-wing shatters against the columns, then all the troops can come home.
Please contact me at your earliest convenience.
Sincerely,
Steve De’ak
From James Fetzer:
From: James Fetzer
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:19 AM
To: Steve De’ak
Cc: Morgan Reynolds; Morgan Reynolds
Subject: Re: James Fetzer: 9/11 Crash Test
Steve,
I have not only endorsed it, but I posted the video on the hottest discussion forum for 9/11 issues, Truth and Shadows:
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/contrived-ridicule-of-conspiracy-theories-really-means-stop-questioning-stop-thinking/ I will also be discussing it on my radio show today, revereradio.net, 5-7 PM/CT, which will be archived subsequently at radiofetzer.blogspot.com. Thanks for sending a copy of such an excellent production.
Warm regards,
Jim
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Steve De’ak <s.deak@comcast.net> wrote:
Hello again,
I’m following up on an email I sent you a while back. We chatted on the phone about this crash test project at which time you said you’d consider it. I have just released this video in support of the project, and I would like you to follow Morgan Reynolds’ lead by endorsing it on your website. Let me know your thoughts.
Thanks,
Steve De’ak
From: James Fetzer
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:12 PM
To: Steve De\’ak
Subject: Re: James Fetzer: 9/11 Crash Test
Steve,
Thanks for writing. I am going to give you a call.
Jim
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Steve De\’ak wrote:
This is an enquiry e-mail from:
Steve De’ak
Greetings,
I was once an early member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. I am reaching out to you Dr. Fetzer as well as any and all Scholars for assistance.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to be in this 9/11 Truth game for the rest of my life, so I think it’s time we proved for once and for all what really happened.
The New Mexico Tech Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center has a rocket-sled test facility which has been used for such fluff as the “Mythbusters” T.V. show. I would like to pressure NM Tech to allow a unified group of Truthers to conduct a test similar to the one posted on my blog here:
I am in the process of launching a website for this endeavor at www.911crashtest.org and for funding I’d like to use the Kickstarter program:
I have tried to reach NM Tech but they will not answer my calls or my emails, however they were very keen to investigate me. They also wasted no time in blocking the embedding of the you-tube video.
I would like to use the Kickstarter program to attempt to obtain funding, and I would like Dr. Fetzer and possibly other scholars familiar with the process to obtain the costs and prerequisites of this test.
This is a no-lose situation for the Truth movement. The test facility, being a training ground for the military, will in all likelihood decline this test request which, will be a victory in itself. If they would allow Mythbusters to slice a car in half, why wouldn’t they allow a test which could help end some wars?
If a plane wing can be proved to slice through steel columns, then all the no-planers can go home, but if a plane-wing shatters against the columns, then all the troops can come home.
Please contact me at your earliest convenience.
Sincerely,
Steve De’ak
From Rosalee Grable:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: Stephen De’ak
> Subject: RE: 9/11 Crash Test
>
> Great job.Don’t know what good my endorsement would do, but you’ve got it.
>
From members of the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:
From: David Slesinger
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 7:22 AM
To: Steve De’ak
Subject: Re: [Team] [Writingteam] Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth: 9/11 Crash Test
I agree, the vast majority of those who oppose no planers are mean to them.
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From: Steve De’ak To: ‘Michael Cook”David Slesinger’
Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Team] [Writingteam] Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth: 9/11 Crash Test
“I agree that there’s no sense in trying to reach the no planers. They are either too stupid to be concerned with or are actually disinformation agents.”
As opposed to alleged scientists who believe in impossibilities?
The reason it hasn’t been done is not because of the expense.
Thanks for your time.
Steve
From: Michael Cook
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 1:49 AM
To: David Slesinger;
Subject: RE: [Team] [Writingteam] Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth: 9/11 Crash Test
Thanks to both of you for your participation. Although I wish I hadn’t even brought it up, it is pretty obvious and important.
Performing the experiments of flying planes into replicas of the towers, the pentagon, and the ground in Shanksville are basically no different than what Jon Cole did in his backyard with his Great Thermite Debate experiments. “Oh, so you say that’s impossible and that’s not how it happened, well, let’s see. Sorry, you’re wrong. The experiments prove that you are wrong.” It’s a factual matter devoid of anyone’s opinion, which is how science is supposed to operate.
I wanted to see such experiments/demonstrations performed years before there even was an AE or much controversy. (The no planers were present from day one, because they were part of the operation, but the noise they created was much lower volume then.) I volunteered to help build the replicas, and bring as much help with me as I could, when they were proposed by that millionaire we had onboard early on (forget his name- I think he ran a full page ad in the NYT). The purpose at the time was to demonstrate to the public that the OCT is nonsense, not to settle any disputes within the movement because that was before Cass Sunstein’s Cognitive Infiltration campaign got going and there was very little debate. The purpose was also to get media coverage for it would be hard for them to ignore such a spectacle.
If it wasn’t so expensive, difficult and wouldn’t take so long, it would have already been done.
Unfortunately, it is all of those things. The construction would take years and once built, the concrete would need to set up or cure for a few years at least to even begin to approach the strength of the concrete in the respective buildings (concrete gets stronger with age, up to the point of it’s maximum strength, which depends on the mix and can take a decade or so to reach). The Shanksville experiment is by far the easiest, cheapest and fastest to perform. Just load up a plane that matches flight 93 with those fake passengers they use in tests (various qualities to those dummies) and luggage and fuel and plow it into the ground outside Shanksville (or similar location if permission for that couldn’t be obtained- or just do it there anyway without permission- further headlines would be grabbed that way) and see what happens. What would happen is the same thing that happens in any other similar crash of a large airliner, bodies and luggage strewn about and concentrated in the resulting hole in the ground, airplane parts large and small, engines and other durable parts like landing gear and black boxes more or less intact, etc. Not a smoking hole with nothing in it but the small amount of planted evidence of a plane, as you would find if such a scene were made with explosives, which is what happened in Shanksville.
I agree that there’s no sense in trying to reach the no planers. They are either too stupid to be concerned with or are actually disinformation agents. The no plane situation was obviously planned in advance of the attacks and was designed to work in concert with there actually being no plane crashes at the pentagon or in Shanksville. There were planes at the towers because plenty of people saw and heard them, even if video fakery is involved. To be clear, video fakery and actual planes flying into the towers are not mutually exclusive- both can exist at the same time. Such a Machiavellian maneuver would be in keeping with the atmosphere of the entire operation. “Confusing you is just the nature of my game.” Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil. (Just because it came from a rock and roll band doesn’t mean it isn’t true- doesn’t mean it is true either- use your judgment
I’m not saying that there was video fakery or that there wasn’t. I don’t think it matters much and arguing about it does nothing to bring us closer to obtaining justice, which is my only concern. More unity within the movement would certainly not hurt in that regard and establishing by experiment what actually happens when you fly the types of planes that were supposed to have been flown into replicas of the various objects would certainly help establish more unity. Complete, 100% unity is unattainable and should not be attempted. Some people will always argue that up is down and down is up because they are fools or they are evil or both, and we will always have those sorts of people around.
Unless we lose this fight, they blow up the world, we run out of fossil fuels without establishing alternative sources of energy, or the NWO is fully established, etc, it’s pretty much a given that these experiments/demonstrations will be done some day, just for the heck of it. I hope that I live to see them, and laugh at the results. But, they are well outside AE’s mission and while moral support could be extended, that should and would be the extent of it, so it’s really not worth concerning ourselves with and I will not champion the cause here, though I do support the proposition as an individual because it is common sense. Some people at AE would not be happy with some aspects of the results of these experiments, which is another reason why one should expect resistance to them here.
If someone or some group does manage to pull this off, AE would be very unwise to ignore it, because it could be yet another set up- another rigged experiment, which seems to be the new norm for “science” these days. At least, from my casual observation, it’s a very prevalent phenomenon usually influenced by economic concerns. “We can make a ton of money if the experiment goes this way, so let’s make it go that way.” In the case of 9/11, the motivations for concealing or distorting the truth are obvious. It should be clear by now that nothing is beyond the vile slime behind 9/11 that walk the earth as human beings and it’s common sense that they would seek to rig or prevent such experimentation.
But thanks for your participation anyway.
I’m happy to spend some small amount of time discussing the matter with you, Steve, if you wish, but I hope I’ve made my position crystal clear here and I would be happy to help out with such a project, if possible, should one ever be done. I’m 50 years old, have been in the building trades for 30+ years, have poured about 500,000 yards of concrete on one job that lasted a year (Intel Fab 22 in Chandler, Az. 99-00) and have been involved in the building of 15 bridges from start to finish and been involved in various aspects of the building phases of about 10 others. I’ve built schools, banks, shopping malls, houses, etc. and operated heavy equipment, installed large steel beams, etc. I’m a union carpenter with a number of qualifications and much experience.
Thanks for your time.
Mike
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Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:29:35 -0700
From:
Subject: Re: [Team] [Writingteam] Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth: 9/11 Crash Test
To: s.deak
here’s the problem
ae doesn’t feel there is a need to resolve the issues between us and the no planers
you’ll never get cooperation from ae on this
the no planers make it easy for the mainstream to ignore us
this means we live under full blown fascism while the movement debates how many angels can dance on the head of a pin
i’ll send your request to mike
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From: Steve De’ak
To: ‘David Slesinger’
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:15 PM
Subject: RE: [Team] [Writingteam] Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth: 9/11 Crash Test
Dave,
Yes please, but I think I’d rather dialog with Mike; Ron appears to have his mind made up. This test could stop all the infighting in the truth movement by eliminating all that wasted time and effort investigating the no-planes theory.
All sides would benefit from such a test, and we could then work together rather than in competition. After 10 years we could actually make some progress. Please forward me Ron’s contact information and I hope all of AE911T will consider it.
Thanks again,
Steve
From: David Slesinger
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:55 AM
To: Steve De’ak
Subject: Re: [Team] [Writingteam] Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth: 9/11 Crash Test
Sreve
If you want to dialog with Ron, I’ll help
dave
Mike cook carpenter said
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I was thinking more along the lines of proving, beyond the shadow of a doubt, what happens when you fly a large airliner into structures: The twin towers and the Pentagon. Build models, fly planes into them. Then, there wouldn’t be any more questions or doubts. Seems like pretty common sense. I can only see such an endeavor strengthening the position of 9/11 Truth, so long as the models were built correctly and the planes were standard issue. About 10 minute’s worth of the Pentagon budget ought to cover the total cost, maybe 20 minute’s worth. It would be a much better use of the funds than what they are currently spent on.
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Ron Brookman board member and Structural Engineer
Michael,
Believe your eyes. Plane wings can and did slice the Twin Towers’ exterior columns. There’s no value in any tests like this.
RHB
Mike cook said
I’ve wanted to see actual experiments like this run for a LOOOONNGG time.
Can/should we support this?
>
> This is an enquiry e-mail via Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth from:
> Anonymous user
>
> Name: Steve De’ak
> Subject Area:: Submit New Evidence
> E-mail:
> Subject: 9/11 Crash Test
> Message: Greetings,
>
> I was once an early member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. I am reaching out to any and all Truthers for assistance.
>
> I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to be in this 9/11 Truth game for the rest of my life, so I think it’s time we proved for once and for all what really happened.
>
> The New Mexico Tech Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center has a rocket-sled test facility which has been used for such fluff as the “Mythbusters” T.V. show. I would like to pressure NM Tech to allow a unified group of Truthers to conduct a test similar to the one posted on my blog here:
>
> http://yankee451.com/2012/05/24/if-mythbusters-can-do-it-why-cant-we/
>
> I am in the process of launching a website for this endeavor at www.911crashtest.org and for funding I’d like to use the Kickstarter program:
>
> http://www.kickstarter.com/
>
> I have tried to reach NM Tech but they will not answer my calls or my emails, however they were very keen to investigate me. They also wasted no time in blocking the embedding of the you-tube video.
>
> This is a no-lose situation for the Truth movement. The test facility, being a training ground for the military, will in all likelihood decline this test request which will be a victory in itself. If they would allow Mythbusters to slice a car in half, why wouldn’t they allow a test which could help end some wars?
>
> If a plane wing can be proved to slice through steel columns, then all the no-planers can go home, but if a plane-wing shatters against the columns, then all the troops can come home.
>
> Please contact me at your earliest convenience.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Steve De’ak
From Dr. Judy Wood:
From: Stephen De’ak
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 10:12 PM
To: ‘Dr. Judy Wood’
Subject: RE: 9/11 Crash Test
Dear Dr. Wood,
Please call me Steve. I’m surprised that someone with your credentials would recommend a sandwich board as a way to raise awareness.
Good luck,
Steve
From: Dr. Judy Wood
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 8:06 PM
To: Stephen De’ak
Subject: RE: 9/11 Crash Test
Dear Mr. De’ak,
(I do not believe we are on a first-name basis.)
You say you want to “help raise awareness with the public.” Do you think the public is unaware that something happened on 9/11/01?
I will ask again,
So, I must ask, what is your objective?
What problem are you trying to solve?
If it is to “raise awareness,” why not wear a sandwich board and walk around the streets where people are.
If you want to prove that the official story is not what we were told, well…that’s already been done, submitted to a government agency, and taken to court. Why cover that up? Why reinvent the wheel? To distract away from what has been done and start all over again to run out the clock?
But your “test” will not prove the official story is incorrect. At best, you will only demonstrate that you were unable to replicate it. That will not prove anything, but just confuse and muddle things up. That’s what keeps a cover up in place. Perhaps that is your objective.
Seriously, what problem are you trying to solve?
You need not tell me your answer, but it might help if you asked yourself this question, first, before proceeding.
With sincerity,
Dr. Wood
At 08:46 PM -0600 9/2/12, Stephen De’ak wrote:
Dear Judy Wood,
Perhaps “publicity stunt” was a poor choice of words, but I was being sincere. The point is to raise awareness. I will be surprised if a scientific test that could prove the government lied will be allowed, but every step of the project will help raise awareness with the public, so if we’re being honest, and I am, then it is a publicity stunt/scientific experiment.
The truth may be known to you as a forensic scientist, but I am trying to reach everyone else.
My “group” is me, and me alone; I am trying to do what I can and I’m sorry you don’t want to be a part of it.
Sincerely,
Steve De’ak
From: Dr. Judy Wood
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 7:04 PM
To: Stephen De’ak
Subject: Re: 9/11 Crash Test
Importance: High
Dear Steve De’ak,
I am not part of a “Truth Movement” so I must decline being a part of whatever it is you are seeking to advance.
The truth is known. Why seek to cover it up and distract away from it?
As a forensic scientist and engineer, I have no interest in participating in a “publicity stunt” nor do I wish to be a part of it.
You say your group wishes to “join forces with more mainstream organizations,” but it is not clear if you are referring to organizations related to the entertainment industry or if you are referring to organizations related to professional engineering disciplines.
If you are seeking to join forces with the entertainment industry, you may be on the right path. But that is not my area of expertise.
If you are seeking to join forces with the engineering profession, you are not on the right path. But this is my area of expertise. As an engineer, I have conducted a comprehensive forensic investigation and have published the report in a way that anyone can understand if they truly want to know what happened.
The truth is known, so why spend yet more energy and expense to divert attention away from it and create yet another “opinion movement” or a “distraction movement” …unless it is your intention to cover up the truth?
So, I must ask, what is your objective?
What problem are you trying to solve?
With sincerity,
Dr. Wood
B.S. Civil Engineering (Structural Engineering)
M.S. Engineering Mechanics (Applied Physics)
Ph.D. Materials Engineering Science
At 12:58 PM -0600 9/2/12, Stephen De’ak wrote:
Greetings Dr. Wood,
As I’m sure you already know, Dr. Reynolds and I are embarking on a publicity-stunt/laboratory-experiment designed to help raise awareness in the slumbering masses. We disagree on much but we have put aside our differences for this project, and in the same spirit of peace, solidarity and fellowship I invite you to join us with a public endorsement. The goal is to have the truth movement put aside their differences and join forces with more mainstream organizations who share our common goal of peace.
Please let me know your thoughts, and thank you.
Sincerely,
Steve De’ak
http://911crashtest.org
From Simon Shack and the rest of the September Clueless:
https://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1523
More Feedback. Christopher Bollyn hates it when he’s called out on his lies:
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